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Bus Soloing Feature

We could use the ability to solo a bus instead of having to select all the individual tracks in order to hear the mix.

As you can see in the image below, in order to hear all the tracks routed to "Break Mix" I have to solo each one. It's not so bad when there are 2 tracks but with big sessions this gets complicated. As you can see in that image there are two blank spots next to "Mute" and "Solo." These could be use for intelligent buttons that solo all the tracks being routed to that specific bus/aux track. This would require very simple programming and would make everyones workflow a lot more efficient.

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Submitted by 3 years ago

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  1. digidesigner Merged

    This should be built in from day one in my opinion

    5 years ago
    1. you can do this by Grouping the audio track and aux track together.

      5 years ago
    2. Thanks for the tip! I know I can do that, by grouping regrouping and selecting stuff what will be grouped that all takes time. By hitting solo on an aux I think it makes perfect sense that you would like to hear that aux and track(s) that run thru it.

      5 years ago
    3. S M

      Soloing in place is something PT really lacks... everytime I need to solo stuff, it's a royal pain in the butt to be able to get to what I need compared to other apps (specially on aux sends).

      5 years ago
    4. Why not just disable the solo on the aux like that when you solo the tracks related to that aux track you hear the aux at all time. or if you using aux track for summing bypass the solo of the tracks your summing to the aux like that when you solo the aux track you hear the tracks related to it.

      4 years ago
    5. because as you said, you need to do it one or the other way, but we need it both ways as it is in other programs - if you hit solo on a track that goes thru an aux sub the aux will be soloed too and if you solo the aux submix all tracks going thru it will be soloed, we don't need to go in and disable stuff all the time. In perfect would I would like to see it to work so, that if I solo, lets take a lead vocal, it will solo all the aux inputs (submix groups) it goes thru + all the aux returns that have sends active from that channel or from submix aux returns that the channel goes thru.

      4 years ago
    6. I see what your saying. What other DAW does this automatic?

      so that you could check it out.

      4 years ago
    7. I've seen Cubase and Nuendo do this.

      4 years ago
    8. Ok i since this working on logic and yes is a plus

      4 years ago
    9. It is a base !!!

      It is non sense that PT doesn't allow this flow.

      But best, in the mixer window an option in the show menu should allow to see the flow of a track, and ONLY it.

      Selecting a track should show ONLY the track, plus the eventual Aux submix receiving this track and all the Aux effect chanels receiving send modulation from this track.

      By selecting a track you can see ONLY all the channel related to this track.

      Logic does it and it's a essential feature off this app.

      3 years ago
  2. So you want an AUX/VCA combo track

    3 years ago
  3. That would be a cool option; to make a Aux also have VCA Master abilities.

    3 years ago
  4. There's no need to click each track individually.

    Allocate all the tracks routed to that bus to a group. Activate the group. Then, when you press the solo button on any track in that group, all of them are switched. Works for the mute button too, when you want the opposite.

    Or, select all the relevant tracks. Hold down alt+shift, then click on the solo button of any one of the selected tracks. All the tracks solo buttons get switched.

    3 years ago
    1. It is much long to group a lot of track, activate this group to solo them than just solo the Aux that receive all these track.

      IT IS A BASE

      1 year ago
    2. it's amazing that all solutions proposed by experienced users to solo somes tracks, explain it using, two, three or four steps.

      We need a ONE STEP action to solo ANY TRACK in PT.

      With no need to group, degroup, activate, desactivate, solo safe or solo in place option, etc ...

      Solo anything, anytime, anywhere, with sounds passing thru, in ONE STEP.

      That's All.

      Thanks

      10 months ago
  5. Community Member Idea Submitter

    nigelpry, I'm aware of this manual workaround, what I'm requesting is a 2011 type of streamlined solution. The type of innovation that I've yet to see from the NEW Avid.

    3 years ago
    1. Just have a look on the Logic solo flow.

      That's inovation !!!

      1 year ago
  6. all Avid need to do is not make VCA's 1200 bux.

    3 years ago
  7. Isn't that possible by grouping the aux and the source tracks ?

    3 years ago
    1. it's amazing that all solutions proposed by experienced users to solo somes tracks, explain it using, two, three or four steps.

      We need a ONE STEP action to solo ANY TRACK in PT.

      With no need to group, degroup, activate, desactivate, solo safe or solo in place option, etc ...

      Solo anything, anytime, anywhere, with sounds passing thru, in ONE STEP.

      That's All.

      Thanks

      10 months ago
  8. Check out how reaper does it (I'm sure there are others too). If you solo a receive track (aux track) you can hear it soloed without hearing anything else - i.e. if you're listening to a reverb return you'll only hear the reverb, no other channels.

    3 years ago
  9. If you really want this, just solo safe all your tracks that are routed to the Aux and unsolo safe the Aux.. takes 2 seconds.

    3 years ago
    1. NO ! it is too long, and you will have to unsafe all these tracks to recover the previuos state of these tracks.

      Soloing a bus is natural and when i do it, i expect to hear all the tracks that pass through this bus.

      Why there is a solo button on a Aux track if you can use it ?

      1 year ago
  10. And what if I want to switch between soloing the bus (e.g. drum bus) and single tracks going to that bus? This is where all these workarounds fall short.

    Why should proud owners of the allegedly most professional DAW out there settle for clumsy workarounds when all other serious DAWs are offering this functionality?

    2 years ago
    1. The problem is that Pro Tools HD is the most professional DAW, not LE or PT9/10 non-HD. There are tons of features that HD can do that people are asking to be added to the non-HD system. I say if you want the features, then spend the money or stop complaining.

      2 years ago
  11. Create your regular busses then:

    Create master faders for your busses. This is what I've seen alot of post guys do.

    2 years ago
    1. it's amazing that all solutions proposed by experienced users to solo somes tracks, explain it using, two, three or four steps.

      We need a ONE STEP action to solo ANY TRACK in PT.

      With no need to group, degroup, activate, desactivate, solo safe or solo in place option, etc ...

      Solo anything, anytime, anywhere, with sounds passing thru, in ONE STEP.

      That's All.

      Thanks

      10 months ago
  12. This is exactly what a VCA is for. Adding VCA track next to your aux, grouping your appropriate tracks and assigning them to the VCA takes less than 30 seconds. Stop being lazy and learn how to work your DAW.

    2 years ago
    1. it's amazing that all solutions proposed by experienced users to solo somes tracks, explain it using, two, three or four steps.

      We need a ONE STEP action to solo ANY TRACK in PT.

      With no need to group, degroup, activate, desactivate, solo safe or solo in place option, etc ...

      Solo anything, anytime, anywhere, with sounds passing thru, in ONE STEP.

      That's All.

      Thanks

      10 months ago
  13. Community Member Idea Submitter

    Oh because we all have HD right? Know what you're talking about before you attack a feature buddy.

    2 years ago
  14. the screen shot above clearly shows PT HD. if you don't have it you can get the production toolkit. if you don't want to pay the $$ then don't complain.

    If you are working in non-HD the easy workaround is to create a group and assign a keyboard focus letter. When you switch to the mix window, the groups keyboard focus is automatically enabled. It's three commands to switch windows, activate the group, and then switch back. If you don't want to do all this, then spend the money for the upgrade. There needs to be some reason for upgrading otherwise there would be no cheaper alternative to HD.

    I wasn't attacking the requester of this feature as much as I was trying to point out that I see multiple requests for features that pro tools already has. A lot of these requests come from people not taking the time to really learn Pro Tools. This program CAN do a ton of stuff and most of the feature requests on this site take less than 20 seconds to complete with the existing workflow.

    2 years ago
    1. Agreed, PT gives you a lot of power at its price. Do other DAWs do this or that better: Possibly! That is why there are software choices. If you are going to complain about a feature like this trickling down to the entry level user then you really have two options:

      1. Buy the Production Toolkit

      2. Use another DAW if it works better

      2 years ago
    2. Agreed, PT gives you a lot of power at its price. Do other DAWs do this or that better: Possibly! That is why there are software choices. If you are going to complain about a feature like this trickling down to the entry level user then you really have two options:

      1. Buy the Production Toolkit

      2. Use another DAW if it works better

      2 years ago
    3. My PT 10 HD or PT 11 HD doesn't have this feature.

      Where is the parametres to set to have this kind of solo in PT HD ?

      10 months ago
  15. Sonar has always had this feature and the lack of it in protools means I don't mix in PT ever!

    2 years ago
    1. Then use Sonar. Really I'm sick of people complaining about PT features if PT isn't their primary DAW.

      2 years ago
  16. After all this discussion I think that VCA faders could be something for Avid to roll out within Marketplace!

    2 years ago
  17. Community Member Idea Submitter

    I put in this suggestion and Ryan you're totally right. Since this I moved on to Ableton and never looked back.

    I miss some features from Pro Tools but for $600 I get so much innovation and from Ableton that I've found better, more efficient and most importantly more creative ways of doing everything I do in PT. I thought 10 might bring the customer more value but I was wrong.

    2 years ago
  18. This is necessary to me in the film mixing that I am doing. Especially when I am merging multiple ADR takes, I need to make sure none of of the unneeded tracks are in the mix at any point

    2 years ago
  19. And also you can use SOLO SAFE then when you solo the aux it sounds.

    2 years ago
  20. It's called "smart solo" or "intelligent solo" and is implemented in programs like Logic since many years now. The premise is that it will automatically consider source tracks of a bus as what you intended to hear when soloing that bus/aux.

    It's super obvious.

    2 years ago
  21. If AVID implements this feature in next version, I WILL buy it =)

    2 years ago
  22. One thing I missed when I switched over from Sonar!

    2 years ago
  23. Still one of a few reasons I refuse to pay to upgrade to PT10.

    2 years ago
  24. As I see it, aux SENDS should have solo buttons. This is a slightly different version of the same idea (why not do both?), but remember that not all sends necessarily come back into your mix - some go straight out to headphone mixes etc.

    Here's my scenario: I record/produce a lot of 'sound-alike' material, and also in general a lot of work with singers having to sight read. Part of my pre-production process involves bringing the original track, or a MIDI synth line acting as a reference for the vocal part, or both, into the session. If the talent is struggling with the reading, or if we just want to check how something compares with the original, I often play it into their headphone mix. As I typically run several auxes out to a heartech system, if I want to mute everything else going to the singer I have to do just that: mute lots of different sends manually. It would be MUCH quicker to be able to press 'solo' on the send on the track I want to be soloed in their mix, exactly as I do for my control room mix. This simply mute all other auxes, or all that weren't in solo safe mode. I know that using bus masters would get me some of the way in terms of speed, but aux SEND solo would be easily the best way. I'm sure this must come up in lots of other scenarios too (dialogue dubbing, foley etc).

    1 year ago
  25. py

    To those suggesting the obvious workaround s, these are really band aids applied to a serious shortcoming. Can any of us imagine putting up with this on a hardware console? I totally agree and can't see any real problems with the original suggestion. Every console ever made - at any price point - will solo a subgroup. Pro tools should have done this long ago. It is a constant nuisance to me.

    1 year ago
    1. And like every console ever made Pro Tools does this, too. It's called AFL and you can set it up in the I/O window.

      5 days ago
  26. More Solo type would be appreciate indeed, including some Solo in Front too with adjustable attenuation and this "Bus Solo" that wouldn't mute tracks contained in the soloed bus.

    1 year ago
  27. This feature is actually already in protools. You have to solo safe tracks. You command or control click on the solo button of a track. if the bus is solo'd it will still play.

    1 year ago
    1. Are you retarded? At this point I'm not surprised anymore that pt don't have this ability but more about the fact that its user base can't understand a simple concept.

      1 year ago
    2. ok, but it's not enough

      we need the flexibility, as PT propose it actualy, but we need too the rapidity and simplicity of a one step action to solo any track, anytime, anywhere.

      without the need of solosafe, group, degroup etc... anything.

      Yo !

      10 months ago
    3. Oh yeah ? An what if i want to solo only the Aux track with a reverb playing in ?

      If i solo this "Aux reverb track", all the track sources sending sound in this "Reverb Aux" are muted (or are not played because of the Aux solo)

      So i don't hear anything.

      I WANT to listen an reverb track and ONLY it, but i need to solo safe all the source track to do that, or i need to group track or any long action to hear only my Reverb track.

      Ahhhrghhh !!!

      4 months ago
  28. And just what is this simple concept pray tell??

    1 year ago
    1. py

      Well, first off, I would avoid the word "retarded" in this forum on moral principal alone.

      Buss soloing is simply a feature where pressing Solo on the aux channel that is the buss submaster listens to that channel, with all processing, and all members present. No additional thought necessary!

      In the good old hardware days, soloing a submaster gave just what you needed. Now with software it is necessary to perform a couple of extra steps - with NO extra effort from the user. Because the channel soloed is an Aux, it's input assign should be queried by the software and all channels with matching output assign should be mute disabled until the Aux solo is cleared.

      THAT is buss soloing for ProTools. Avid?

      1 year ago
    2. The simple concept is telling that a button named "solo" on the bus produce silence, not a solo function. All that things you do now with groups, solo safe etc etc can be done much more efficently with an intelligent bus solo function; any doubs?

      1 year ago
  29. It would be nice to have a buss gain trim like on analog consoles too!

    1 year ago
  30. py

    Re Chabb: I agree completely with your post. Nothing could be simpler than soloing a buss by pushing the solo button belonging to its channel. No other solution should even be discussed with a straight face. It's so sad that all the 'progress' to non-linear recording has resulted in a cumulative ignorance of the real progress made literally decades ago by the brilliant designers of our now ancient hardware. If anyone at Avid REALLY wants to know how to emulate an intelligent mixer design, they need do no more than toss their silly reinventions in the trash and study an SSL manual from the eighties. That's right - the eighties. Wake up computer geeks!

    10 months ago
  31. In HD it works with one button. Simply select AFL instead of SIP.

    I'm listening to every Aux(Bus) - may it be used as a effect return or as a subgroup or whatever - daily by simply pressing the channel's solo button.

    This is what I would call a ONE STEP ACTION .... but maybe I'm missing something .... ???

    5 months ago
  32. py

    @Hanswurstlsepp: What you are missing is that AFL is not a very desirable solo mode for mixing / post production. SIP is standard and required. A very well designed precedent already exists in professional hardware to implement Buss Soloing while in SIP. It just needs to be coded into ProTools.

    4 months ago
  33. py

    I share chabb's viewpoint. Solo must be a smart function and sadly it is utterly dumb right now. This ain't rocket science, just simple logic (not the program).

    To recap, the solo button should do exactly what is says - solo that channel. With all it's constituent parts and without any limitation. Resorting to grouping should not even be mentioned in this discussion.

    4 months ago
  34. Fwiw I still agree this needs to be improved but have it basically working. Without jumping through major hoops.

    I solo safe all my aux channels, including fx sends.

    Group channels together I want to solo/mute simultaneously and make that the only feature grouped and name it something like "drums solo".

    Now if you solo a channel in the group you hear them all.

    If you right click the solo button on a track you only hear that one channel.

    Pretty quick and painless. I'd prefer it to he simpler. But works for me. And there may be a situation it still isn't ideal for. Fwiw Harrison's mixbus even has a better soloing system than pt. And I paid $29 for it.

    4 months ago

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  1. The Idea titled Soloing Aux Should Solo The Related Tracks Too was merged with this Idea
    3 years ago