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Freeze tracks feature

This one freeze feature would fix your tdm and le DDL limitations. It would also allow faster than real time bounces because if you froze most of the tracks then the processing to do a mix bounce could be done in the back ground.

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    In Ableton you can free a track and once it's frozen you can grab the midi file into an audio track and use the waveform as you desire. Anything less than this type of functionality will have us right back here on ideascale.

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  1. Comment
    cab.ideas
    ( Pinned Moderator )

    This is a merge of all 'freeze' type feature requests. Also a reminder to do a SEARCH before submitting a new feature, as a vast majority of new feature requests being submitted are duplicates.

  2. Comment
    sleadley

    Midi VI to Audio rendering Idea.

    If you are working with an Instrument Track and recording Midi then it would be great if an audio version of the VI was rendered in the background so that if you wanted then the Midi Track could be hidden and the audio track revealed, as well as the The VI being deactivated, (along with any plugs used to create the audio track).

    If you need to modify the Midi, simply reverse the process and the the VI is reactivated and the Midi is available for modification. This alleviated the RTAS mess, and makes it much easier and faster for the preparing the Pro Tools sessions for mix, with no need for the mixers to have the VI's that are used in the session.

    my 2c

    Simon L

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  3. Comment
    aa6520

    More so for pre archiving and delivery, this could even be export all individually with checkboxes for include inserts or not.

  4. Comment
    Andy Hagerman

    This Grammy winning US producer F. Reid Shippen:

    what i would KILL for, even give select and unmentionable parts of my anatomy for, is a "track freeze" or "track render" in PT that runs realtime and includes i/o inserts in the bounce. on multiple tracks. with delay compensation. this feature alone would be so incredibly useful to all the pros out there that it might even be the killer app that Beat Detective was some years ago.

    I have tons of analog outboard. I would love to be able to insert it into a track, and when I have my mix sounding good, select all my tracks with inserts, hit "render selected tracks to disk", go grab a cup of coffee, and come back to a session where all those tracks are now rendered audio in a new playlist with all inserts inactive and all audio in time- compensated for record delay as well as (user-definable) converter delay.

  5. Comment
    Bortraws

    And if Freeze tracks could be done with 32-bit file handling it would be even more fantastic!!

  6. Comment
    neve73

    Freeze Track:

    1) allows UNLIMITED plug-in use, keeping your CPU usage meter at ZERO if desired.

    2) like AudioSuite, Freeze Track eliminates real-time printing of individual tracks, LITERALLY SAVING HOURS PER DAY FOR MANY. (even 30 min per day = 22 work days per year!)

    3) keeps your sessions much cleaner and tighter, having avoided the headaches of creating extra tracks for printing and all of the associated track naming, region naming, sorting out, renaming, deactivating, hiding, etc.

    Freeze Track and Audiosuite are the best solutions for native CPU power issues now and still will be in 20 years from now. Just as the equation NATIVE+TDM > NATIVE will always be true, so will NATIVE+Freeze Track(Audiosuite) > NATIVE. Improving RTAS is not the road to plug-in freedom. (I'm not saying that Digi should drop rtas improvements.) Think about it. Freeze Track turns your CPU meter to ZERO, even with 100 VIs and compressors running that are each 100 times more powerful than today's current plugs. Your computer's free...you're ALWAYS free to pull up whatever plugin you want to next.

    A brother to Audiosuite, Freeze Track is THE CPU SOLUTION. Logic, Cubase 5, DP, Tracktion, Samplitube Live, etc etc Freeze Track changes EVERYTHING when composing, even on a powerful 8 core, much more a laptop. Even engineers can freeze some RTAS plugins like powerful compressors, verbs, etc. ***No more real time printing and track naming and management hassles/chaos.***

    I seem to be the only one in here that understands freeze track (VI Audiosuite) seamlessly, painlessly and effortlessly eliminates Pro Tools (and all native DAWs) far greatest problem. It's not even a debatable and what can be more clear? Easier than Audiosuite, Freeze track solves ALL of your CPU problems in about twenty seconds flat and keeps your session simple and tidy. In PT8, Digidesign finally said, we're a composer's sequencer now too. For years now, Freeze track has been a central and essential tool in today's sequencers like Logic, Cubase 5, DP, and Live. Freeze Track motivates me to reach for Logic some days more than anything, especially on my laptop sessions.

    Once again...if you've ever struggled with Pro Tools CPU meter, not being able to even run your session if you add another RTAS plugin, then you need to include just two words in the title of every DUC posting...Freeze Track. Pro Tools needs Freeze Track more than anything. (and I bet it's relatively simple to build into PT)

  7. Comment
    bill

    yes. This feature (for me) would have to be selection based. Don't make it a "whole track" freeze. Allow the user to select the portion of the track he or she wishes to be bounced or frozen. Select the whole track if you want. A lot of times I just need a brief sound bounced to clear 5 inserts. I don't need a whole track of silence rendered after.

    Also allow the user to shift select any aux track along with the original track selection to include that aux track's output in the freeze.

    Also it needs to be an offline bounce. Not real time. Render it like an audiosuite operation as fast as my computer can create it.

  8. Comment
    epithetmusic

    Sorry, I just found the original suggestion for this. Sorry for the repeat.

  9. Comment
    neve73

    please do a search before you post. this is the #2 feature if you sort by favorites

  10. Comment
    thekrakafaktri

    Track Freeze that behaves like it does in Ableton Live or better than. I was astounded when i wanted to freeze some of my CPU intensive instrument tracks, and could not find the FREEZE feature.

    To re-sample each track in "real time" is so time wasting and idea/mood killing. When you're on a roll with an idea, you need to be able to work quickly and move on. A freeze of one or multiple tracks at once would be done in a very short amount of time, seconds or a minute or so, and then your'e free to carry out more CPU hungry tasks and create more mayhem.

    In my opinion, this feature would complete Pro Tools and make it a truly user friendly "industry standard" application that can do it all, quickly and eficiently.

    It's the only thing keeping me from switching completly over to PT, and im sure the case would be the same for a lot of other users out there. Oh, and it should be available on all editions, not just HD.

  11. Comment
    ewillhelm

    The reason we can't have this feature probably has something to do with why we can't have that other most-requested feature, "non-realtime track bouncing"...unless you wanna freeze your tracks in real time, which we can do anyway. Just takes all damn day, by comparison.

  12. Comment
    thekrakafaktri

    Do it the same as in Ableton live......it does it all in the same track, good thing Ableton does too is lets you flatten the track down to audio only ....has been around for years. C'mon Pro Tools.get with the program. Make it available in LE & M powered too, not just HD.

  13. Comment
    4eulogifan

    Maybe im just dumb today but I still dont really understand how freeze tracks work. Is there a video somewhere on this? Maybe if i see it ill finely click, lol.

  14. Comment
    mottitemp

    Apologies for diluting this topic. I'm new round here! I have reported it as a duplicate... Seems to be the only way to get it removed.

  15. Comment
    toby

    I'm on HD and I do believe that Track Freeze should be on the very top of the new feature list.

    I'd augment this by suggesting two different "Track Freeze" functions:

    1. faster than realtime rendering of software instruments and plug-ins inserted in plug-in slots 1-5.

    2. realtime track freeze that includes hardware/i-o-inserts, also only plug-in slots 1-5.

    That would give the user the option of keeping cpu intensive plug-ins and VIs frozen while still being able to adjust plug-ins in slots 6-10.

  16. Comment
    toby

    ..."This Grammy winning US producer F. Reid Shippen:

    what i would KILL for, even give select and unmentionable parts of my anatomy for, is a "track freeze" or "track render" in PT that runs realtime and includes i/o inserts in the bounce. on multiple tracks. with delay compensation. this feature alone would be so incredibly useful to all the pros out there that it might even be the killer app that Beat Detective was some years ago.

    I have tons of analog outboard. I would love to be able to insert it into a track, and when I have my mix sounding good, select all my tracks with inserts, hit "render selected tracks to disk", go grab a cup of coffee, and come back to a session where all those tracks are now rendered audio in a new playlist with all inserts inactive and all audio in time- compensated for record delay as well as (user-definable) converter delay."

    Exactly what I'm hoping for!!

  17. Comment
    toby

    Still the No. 1 reason NOT to use Pro Tools. Must be adressed ASAP.

  18. Comment
    Bortraws

    Yes, a sort of "Consolidate Track Including Inserts" function.

    I agree that would be such a CPU and life saver?

  19. Comment
    Kyle Mann

    Repeated for emphasis:

    what i would KILL for, even give select and unmentionable parts of my anatomy for, is a "track freeze" or "track render" in PT that runs realtime and includes i/o inserts in the bounce. on multiple tracks. with delay compensation. this feature alone would be so incredibly useful to all the pros out there that it might even be the killer app that Beat Detective was some years ago.

    I have tons of analog outboard. I would love to be able to insert it into a track, and when I have my mix sounding good, select all my tracks with inserts, hit "render selected tracks to disk", go grab a cup of coffee, and come back to a session where all those tracks are now rendered audio in a new playlist with all inserts inactive and all audio in time- compensated for record delay as well as (user-definable) converter delay.

  20. Comment
    csowellj

    Both but streamlined performance of RTAS first! I can't even tell you the last time I had to freeze in Logic with TONS of VI's because Audio Units are sooooo efficient compared to RTAS on a Mac Pro!

  21. Comment
    Community Member

    This is the one limitation of ProTools that is preventing me from using it for scoring. Recent performance tests from DAWbench and my own tests show absolutely abismal peformance compared to other apps, with Reaper basically yeilding 5x the performance of ProTools on the same system with identical VI tests and midi sequences(even using Digi's own ASIO driver), and 2-3x better performance with Cubase/Nuendo using VST versions.

  22. Comment
    Community Member

    I'm really glad AVID is trying to change things up because it's missing features like this that make me want to pull my hair out when using Pro Tools.

    AVID, CAN WE GET RID OF ALL THESE 2007 IDEAS SO WE CAN MOVE ON TO THE GOOD STUFF!

  23. Comment
    Community Member

    Pro Tools is a high end audio RECORDING DAW. PT 8 created some confusion by misleading us. Repear, Logic, Cubase and Ableton are Midi Sequencers. We all want Pro Tools to be one too but that's simply not the case which is why so many of us are baffled at the ridiculousness of some missing features.

  24. Comment
    Community Member

    I've been using the "Freeze" feature in Cubase for years, and it's a real must for native systems. With the focus on native in PT9 I was sure Freeze would be on the new feature list, but it's a real shame that it's missing.

    Due to a modest rig with no accel, I'm forced to use Cubase for my complicated sessions, just because it has Freeze. It's super-annoying, because PT's editing is so much more elegant.

    Dale (holding off on upgrading to PT9 until Freeze is implemented!)

  25. Comment
    Community Member

    Agree with last comment, PT is unbeatable when it comes to editing but all these production issues force me to go elsewhere and come back. My dream is to produce, record and mix out of pro tools with no need for another program.

  26. Comment
    790201457

    You know that there is a physics problem without realtime rendering when you have a analog i/o insert? I see the need for a "Render with inserts", making a new playlist for all the items, hopefully done by a group select. But then you run into flow. I mean, if you want it, you smack it to tracks and the you can pull it into a playlist. Yes, I know it's a pita, but aside from some macro solutions. (Hey, cubase had no individual track render, so people made a MACRO, which is do able.) It's kind of like heat, if they do a all render, then what happens when you just want a certain thing. I suppose you could have it render only solo's. But still, Given that no freeze has lots of $ protection for HD rigs, I can see why it's a tuff sell. Plus, then you have the entire if you remember, bounces don't sound like real-time bs you had years ago and it is

    still different in the other daws when you do a speeded render. Lots of plugs go wacky. It's not as "simple" as you guys make it out, sure ableton does it,

    but it don't do it with real I/O now does it. With HD, and alot of analog gear, one should have a minimal CPU load anyway. Print Instrument sure, but it's already doable too. I absolutely agree that having 800 render tracks in the mixer gets confusing, there is no nice way to template it and you end up looking like a steinberg user. (800 tracks you have to continually scroll back and forward on.) Even after cubase introduced i/o based freeze, it ended up to be realtime and wasn't far from the original process, which was record to track below, pull to track above. Similarly, if you render all 32 tracks to 32 new ones, you can pull them in a group in pt too, just like we had to do in cubase IINM. This way one gets infinate control over the processs. So, a glorified macro in the menu option, sure. A internal only faster "render" sure. Remember that cubases crap didn't even do automation on its "render" bs. It wouldn't even print tracks correctly. So this, every other daw does it right is far from the truth too. I'm not trying to defend avid here; But as far as PT 9 goes there are bigger fish to fry. Not if you already have TDM mind you, but if you are that other interface user they just targeted. I still think and there are thing that are in a HD license I miss out of the other bs pt9 mixture of licenses, that the HD platform should have a noticeable different feature path that could be merged later. Because, old TDM users are a consistent bunch.

  27. Comment
    790201457

    And You're point is what? since the early 90's we've only bettered technology, discovered nothing it's quite boring. I don't see how that addresses my point whatsoever. That Native processors can do stuff? We had 16 processor intel machines over 10 years ago, they were just $500,000.

  28. Comment
    bgronas

    make sure you all vote for "Pro Tools 64-bit Application"

  29. Comment
    Community Member

    What I mean is that other DAWs have many of the request on here as standard yet Pro Tools requires revolutionary coding to implement things. It's 2011 and Avid needs to catch up, PT is VERY close with it's current offerings but it's missing some pretty crucial modern features.

  30. Comment
    790201457

    Well, that's fine, then people need to expect years of problems similar to what happened after Steinberg's two re-writes. 1st from vst to 1.x. And from 1.x t to 2.x. While that worked for microsoft for two decades, it won't go over well with software like this, especially since alot of people charge by the hour when using it. Better, yet, they could introduce a new branch, which is exactly what I suggested. It would be perfect if they made a "PT" Open, that even worked on linux, but had limited support as it gives huge benefits to the a public beta cycle. Which Steinberg does with their actual releases.

  31. Comment
    Bortraws

    I can't imagine even one Avid programmer doing nose expanding work at this time. They are fully aware of what we want and promised they are working on the top of the list features so let's cut them some slack.

    Why don't we try to just give constructive feedback to inspire Avid so they can deliver us the great and hopefully innovative features we all like to see in our favorite DAW.

    "Freeze Track/Selection" would be a great feature. It should render one or multiple selected track(s) including insert effects with either all regions on the track or with regard of the timeline selection.

    Next to that I'd love to see the following selectable options implemented in either a dialog window or in the preferences (I think they are self explanatory):

    - Replace original selection with newly rendered audio (probably does this by default which would make this option obsolete);

    - Render to Region List;

    - Auto create new playlist for rendered audio;

    - Create new track(s) for rendered audio;

    - Duplicate regions outside selection to new playlist/track;

    - Automatically hide and make track inactive;

    - Clear Inserts after Freeze

    It might or might not be difficult to program (frankly I don't care) but wouldn't it be awesome if Avid incorporated these features?

  32. Comment
    neve73

    What happened to the vote count?!?!? This was #1 at 1050 votes, now it's #14?!?!? It's been BY FAR the most important feature to implement in PT for the last ten years. This should be combined with

    "accelerated bounce"

    "VI bounce"

    "RTAS bounce"

    "bounce in place"

    "accelerated printing"

    "VI Printing"

    etc etc etc

    because they are all one in the same over all idea...prevent literally accumulated weeks of our lives being wasted every year real time RTAS bouncing all day long, over and over.

  33. Comment
    neve73

    Avid, if you don't solve the mystery, will you resolve the problem by setting the vote count back to 1050+ by merging, resetting or doing whatever you have to do to keep it far at the very top of your customers wish list?

  34. Comment
    neve73

    Ten minutes ago this read 1422 votes, now it's incorrect again at 264.

  35. Comment
    Avid Moderator

    Yeah, I'm seeing that too. *groan*. I guess this isn't entirely fixed yet. Hang tight - I'm digging into this with Ideascale guys again...

  36. Comment
    neve73

    We know your type pain all too well (not from Pro Tools of course:)

  37. Comment
    Avid Moderator

    We're still working on restoring the original votes - just wanted to make sure you knew we hadn't forgotten about this....

  38. Comment
    Romik

    Just to cast my vote, Avid, please include a feature to freeze up a track, what's the point of going all native if laptops limitation in RAM disables users from being able to have high quality plugs multiple on most tracks? Doing it 20th century way just doesn't cut it, it's too slow & simply non-productive in today's environment. So, please please please work on it ASAP.

  39. Comment
    jon

    Create a new "Save For" option called save for mix. This automatically saves a copy of the current session with all active plugins rendered to tracks. It also creates a duplicate playlist for each track with no effects applied.

    This would be a HUGE time saver when sending tracks off to a mix engineer. This would even be fine if it ran as a sort of batch routine that took 20 minutes per song. Obviously a faster than realtime "freeze" type routine would be even better.

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    1. Comment
      609jasonmiller

      I agree that most mixers won't want things rendered, but I'd like this feature if it had export options. Options like... delete unused playlists, audio files, and hidden tracks. Basically, it would create a copy of the session that is completely cleaned up. You could have various amounts of checkable options for various amounts of cleanliness. I have to go through this every time someone sends me a mix. They first have to save a session copy with all audio files... then open it and delete tracks and playlists... then delete audio files... yikes. I think a lot of folks would use this feature.

    2. Comment
      Craig F

      I don't know any mixer that want effects rendered in.

      For cleanup use Save Session Copy In

  40. Comment
    Lizardpoint

    C'mon Avid, this is the biggest feature we need on Pro Tools right now.

  41. Comment
    neve73

    What's the status with getting this up to the landslide #1 position with the 1500 actual votes cast to this point? This is the most important thing the moderator can do on protools.ideascale.com as well as the most important thing Avid can do on anything...period...full stop.

  42. Comment
    Community Member

    The only major DAW on the market without this feature which means Pro Tools users are THE LEAST efficient when using VI's and resampling.

    The industry standard - riiiiiiiight.

  43. Comment
    Community Member

    This really needs to be changed to having the correct amount of votes. It's what everybody has wanted from PT for years now. It was second in line after ADC and although 64 bit is high on the wish list, Freeze Tracks is a must-have to bring PT into line with all other DAWs. This is now stone-aged stuff.

  44. Comment
    neve73

    Avid, when will this be put back to 1422+?

  45. Comment
    elvenminstrel

    I can't believe there have been a handful of votes against. Must be people who work for the competition trying to knock PT out of the running. A friend of mine recently came to PT from Sonar. When I explained to him what all he needed to do to "freeze" a track, his brain practically melted.

  46. Comment
    Community Member

    elvenminstrel welcome to the Pro Tools community. Forward thinkers who want Pro Tools to catch up with Ableton and Logic while keeping everything that makes it great and haters who want Pro Tools 6 for the rest of their lives.

    And we wonder why Avid is getting away with selling an outdated product.

  47. Comment
    neve73

    It's been months now since the brutal demotion from 1450 votes to 350. Avid?

  48. Comment
    neve73

    Not a peep from Avid for ages now. It certainly appears that this is a scam to demote freeze tracks from the overwhelming #1 position landslide. Super super lame. Good job at burying this. I guess we're not getting Freeze Tracks or accelerated bounce.

  49. Comment
    Avid Moderator

    Hardly a scam. I'm still on the case - we got a new case manager at Ideascale and they're working on it, but keep in mind this is one case of all the things they're trying to work on (including other improvements we've asked for and all their other Ideascale clients) and getting engineering time to determine what went wrong is not always easy. As I've said before - we KNOW the vote was higher and we aren't going to discount that because of a problem with Ideascale.

  50. Comment
    neve73

    Thanks for the response. It's been such a looooong time now. So, from your response, it's all things Ideascale in general that are not getting the time to be fixed, not just Freeze Track.

  51. Comment
    Avid Moderator

    This should now be fixed. For anyone wondering why it's not back to 1000+ votes - after all votes were recounted and duplicate votes via merged threads were removed (the same person voting in multiple threads that were subsequently merged) this is the final tally.

  52. Comment
    Community Member

    As more and more people are moving in-the-box for instruments and FX, track freezing becomes more and more essential.

    I love the editing in Pro Tools, but any time I save is more than made up for by the time I waste manually bouncing and importing (in real time) to save CPU cycles. Until this is fixed, I'm going back to Cubase.

  53. Comment
    bjury

    I love the editing in pro tools,the fact that it is all on one page,the fact that the midi has improved so much since the nineties when i started.I stuck to pro tools because of these and other amazing features particularly beat detective.I am hanging in there but using reaper and logic 9 for a lot of work these days.If this feature comes through,pro tools will be unbeatable,without doubt.viva pro tools viva.Long live !

  54. Comment
    joe_04_04

    1. Freeze Track!

    2. 64 Bit

    3. Offline Bounce Option

    Lets do this avid..and dont make us pay another version fee for them...just give us an update and we will forever love you!

  55. Comment
    Community Member

    Other DAWS (e.g. Sonar) have had "fast bounce" (track and to disk) as an option for years... Why does PT not have this (at least as an option)???????

  56. Comment
    ramsounds

    Umm.. I really did not mean to vote against this idea. I would like to vote for this idea but I have failed to find a way to change my vote. Maybe someone can tell me how to change my vote, or a moderator can fix my vote if necessary. Not one of my brighter moments. :(

  57. Comment
    Community Member

    Two years and counting since this number one request was posted. Many years of asking prior to that. Why is this so hard to implement?

  58. Comment
    Community Member

    98 % of the VI stuff is Native anyway ... come on Avid !

    You will not lose any HD / HDX customers

  59. Comment
    Community Member

    #1 requirement on thislist! The only reason I can think of Avid not supporting this is that they want you to buy their stupid HW and to support their support business (that can sell more HW to those that have problems as a solution). I've been recording & mixing large projects with Samplitude and others and it is a breeze to do when you have nicely implemented freeze feature that you do not even have to think about much. As many many have said, come on Avid (it is 2013 soon), get it done if you want to keep us as customers.

  60. Comment
    tom@metro

    I can't believe we are still waiting for this. I know most composers have moved on to other DAWs, but c'mon. It's only a few lines of code at this point. Pro Tools cannot be considered a modern DAW until this is behind us.

  61. Comment
    Niels Dettenbach

    After writing down my own detailed workflow / solution idea / request of a "Track render/bounce Cache" (button/feature) here i got pointed to this "track freeze" thread, but i'm not shure if we mean the same solution, even if we have a similiar target (save processing power).

    Shure, there may be "several ways to Rome here", but may be my description might help further too.

    Pls. read/vote/comment:

    http://protools.ideascale.com/a/dtd/Track-render-bounce-Cache/121062-3779

  62. Comment
    christophergarner

    I would like to see a similar feature as with Logic where you can instantly print a track by either right clicking on the per recorded track( ex midi track), or with a key command.

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