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1. 

   jr

   VST is standard. It should be also standard like RTAS in PT

   3 years ago

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   myke2241

   yes is standard but could lead to some nasty bugs and crashes

   3 years ago

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   petemarriott Idea Submitter

   I never have issues with my VSTs, ever! The only people I know of that have such problems are the ones who use pirated software or they use the same computer they music with to get on the internet which is a bad move. I want more access to more instruments and I shouldn't have to use two DAWs to achieve the sound I want. Pro Tools should be my only DAW, nothing else.

   3 years ago

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4. 

   Delete ME

   The wrapper has always worked for me too, minus very minor issues like certain plug-ins not displaying controller data sometimes to my 003 LCD.

   Not sure what the big deal is. Don't use sketchy vsts from bad coders or modified code and it always works.

   3 years ago

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   petemarriott Idea Submitter

   So you're saying developers like Image-line who make quality products like FL Studio and Cakewalk who makes Dimension Pro, Rapture and Sonitus Effects (which are my absolute favorite effects) create sketchy VSTs? Really? Are you kidding me?....(*Takes deep breath*)

   Listen up here guy, I don't buy sketchy products. The bottom line is I paid good money for my Pro Tools system and if I'm going to invest more money into it I should have the creative choice to use my VSTs with my Pro Tools without having to buy a 3rd party application that doesn't even work with it's own sister applications like BFD2 which I've done just to see if it was a Pro Tools Issue or FXPansion's fault.

   In the very first place I should not have to buy FXPansion's sketchy adapter VST is standard and Pro Tools should have it being they are the standard DAW in recording studios worldwide. As a hardworking professional music producer and as a paying customer I should not have to use two DAWs to create my music, it wastes time and valuable screen space between my 3 monitor setup going back and forth between applications.

   Pro Tool is great but it could be the greatest.

   3 years ago

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6. 

   Hooksound

   Make RTAS/AudioSuite an open standard like VST and watch it grow.

   3 years ago

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7. 

   soundeziner

   Ah yes... adding VST and AudioUnit support would be a dream.

   The best money I've spent recently was on KORE 2 by Native Instruments -- now I can use any VST or Audio Unit (Mac only, of course) plugin within Pro Tools. Not only that, but I can route audio internally into and out of PT LE through KORE to use even more plugins. The day I used both Space Designer in Logic and Prosoniq's morph in a PT LE session I nearly cried.

   Actually, I think I did cry.

   2 years ago

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      Community Member

      VST wouldn't work in Pro tools. Mainly because it can't handle the automation needed by the controllers, and other things mentioned by Dave trambley on the duc.

      1 year ago

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8. 

   Ling Smith

   Yes...VST and AU support.

   Even with the VST adapter, FXpansion's Geist, which has a great pattern sequencer, cannot send midi out to other instrument hosted in PT...(it can in Cubase). This kind of limitation is a bad thing for us composer/producer types.

   And I'd be curious to know if Geist hosted in Kore could send midi out to a PT plug, like Hybrid or xPand...I'll bet not...

   2 years ago

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   Community Member

   To avoid any crash from unstable/non-properly coded VST, just host them on a separate 64 bits process, that way, if it crashes, only the plugin will crashes, not the session.

   2 years ago

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    bfunk1978

    I don't see how anybody can be against the idea. If it's implemented, nobody HAS to use it. Most of the VSTs I own have RTAS equivalents (Guitar Rig, SampleTank, and EZdrummer, specifically) but I'd love to use the couple that don't with PT...Cakewalk discontinued RTAS support for Dimension Pro, so I haven't upgraded to 1.5, for instance.

    2 years ago

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    Community Member

    A MUST!!

    2 years ago

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12. 

    jesper.studio

    Its simple. Most daw can use vst.

    And it's less CPU hungry then rtas.

    And it most vst are aklready supporting 64bit if and when pt becomes 64bit

    1 year ago

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       Community Member

       Most if not all other daws do not have any dsp systems and hardware with the level of automation that Avid's system have that would be incompatible with VST. SO there for, no it's not just simple.

       1 year ago

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13. 

    zerobeat

    Part of what makes a DAW unstable is 3rd party additions.. the plugin structure. AU support (Mac only) wouldn't be as bad as VST support (since the AU spec is very strict), but it just opens a can of worms. If allowing VST/AU (but not actually using any) doesn't compromise ProTools' stability in any way, then I suppose I can't be against it. But if just the act of allowing them makes ProTools less stable, then it's not worth it at all. There are too many RTAS choices out there to make me pine for those few plugins that aren't. And the wrappers I have used (UAD for example) have worked perfectly fine anyway.

    1 year ago

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14. 

    shallowgrey

    All I see FXPansion to be is another way to make more money off of musicians and producers. We shouldn't have to pay $100 for a feature comes with every other DAW. VST support!

    1 year ago

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    1. 

       adrian

       This feature doesn't come with Logic either - logic runs AU plugins. "3rd party plugin support" is the "feature" and that comes with PT.

       1 year ago

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15. 

    Corey.Scott

    This is not digidesign's fault. It's the plugin developer. Anyone with a well made, stable, bug-free plugin can get a RTAS developer toolkit for RTAS support.

    1 year ago

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    adrian

    From a tech support, pro point of view, adding VST support would be a nightmare. Another format to trouble shoot, a whole wave of free/shareware plugins that SHOULD work but don't....you get the idea.

    RTAS (and I guess, soon to be AAX) format is the native PT plugin format. If they can add VST support, they can make RTAS/AAX more efficient. Most stuff is available in RTAS format anyway, I just don't see why incorporating a 3rd party, uncontrolled option into a professional level software is going to help anyone!

    1 year ago

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    1. 

       celticmyst

       "Most stuff is available in RTAS format anyway"

       Well that won't help much when RTAS goes the way of the dinosaur with PT11. I find myself, after spending much $$$ on RTAS plugins, whether or not to ditch PT altogether. Can you tell how much I love Avid.

       1 year ago

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    2. 

       hueseph

       If a third party freeware does not work, oh well. You get what you paid for. As far as VST support is concerned, all other Major DAWs have it with the exception of Digital Performer and Logic. It's not rocket science. VST works well for so many people but you're just alienating yourself if you don't include VST support.

       VST is supported in 32 and 64bit format. There are bit bridges that allow you to use 32 bit plugins in your 64 bit DAW.

       It's not as if this should be news to anyone. If you've taken any time to just try any other DAW, Reaper is a good example, you'll find that VSTs are every bit as good and as stable if not more stable as most RTAS/TDM plugins. In fact most VST versions of plugins which I have RTAS versions are far more stable and less cpu hungry than their RTAS equivalent.

       I can't help but feel that many of Pro Tools' advocates have never used another DAW and so are sheltered in effect as to how well a DAW can work. Sure other DAWs have their issues but you won't find nearly the number of whiners on their forums as you do on the DUC.

       10 months ago

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    @celticmyst

    And adding a new format where you'll have to buy the plugins any way will do the exact same thing as you having to buy the aax version (if they are not provided for free by the plugin makers) when PT goes 11

    1 year ago

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       Community Member

       Adding VST as a new format where ...* meant to say

       1 year ago

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       hueseph

       Most third party plugins(Waves,IK,Native Instruments, UA) already come in VST format. Only those plugins developed by AVID will need to be ported.

       10 months ago

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    hueseph

    You know what would make things so much simpler? How about VST support? Every other major DAW has it. So why not suck it up and admit defeat in the plugin department? You want cross platform compatibility? VST support. You want to make it easier for developers to create plugins for your DAW? VST support. You can still have DSP dependent VSTs a la UAD. So make that an extra and paid for upgrade. But for the sake of stability and universality, VST and for that matter AU support.

    10 months ago

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    James @ Anvil Audio

    Strongly agree, although I doubt this will be considered because AAX is Avid's new thing, and they like to keep things exclusive.

    That said, VST is the only reason I have another DAW installed on my system at all. Pro Tools does everything but that, and it's the one thing I need enough to consider having another DAW! Less money spent on other DAW's = more money for potential Avid Upgrades! Thank me later Avid ;)

    7 months ago

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